Protection training or natural ability?

TACTICS OF TERRITORY PROTECTION in cas dogs

Question

Should cas be trained with IPI Shutzhund etc?

Answer:

 Most of the trainers got into trouble with these dogs: attempts to use sports systems (IPO, SchH, Mondioring, etc.), and work "with a twig and a sleeve" did not lead to anything.

The main postulate of sport dog training: "playful aggression - prey."

CAS are not up to games. Their life cycle is simple and reliable: calm accumulation of energy - hard short fight - calm accumulation of energy. Under no circumstances will they waste their energy on running, barking, and "conquering the rocking chair".

This way of life, using all energy in a matter of seconds of combat in the event of deadly contact with a predator, lasted for millennia.

And he gave the unique character of the Central Asian Shepherd Dog: explosive (unthinkable combinations of lethargy, bordering on phlegmatic look, when owner is nearby and everything is calm, with high-speed reactions that have no analogues in the dog's world, if the enemy approached), extremely balanced (transition from excitement to full calmness takes a fraction of a second!), with a measure of reasonable leeriness, which indicates the highest intelligence. Add to this the love of freedom and stubbornness.

 Now imagine a trainer galloping in front of an 8-10 month old Asian with a sleeve.

Firstly, being a big puppy, an Asian at this age is already trying to look like an adult .

 Secondly, the Asian plays only when he wishes, decisively not in accordance with the schedule of training classes.

 Thirdly, he is not at all inclined to play with unfamiliar people!

Question:_ So play-PRAY method will not work for cas?WHY?

Answer:

With the play method, the trainer stumbles upon an impenetrable wall: either the dog unexpectedly start attacking unprotected parts of the trainer instead of sleeve or, just play a total IDONT know what you want from me role

Faced with such a poor choice, most trainers, until they are accused of unprofessionalism, quickly declare that the dog is not good to be  a guard, while not forgetting to take payment for the "work" done. if it is a trainer who running around and pushing sleeve in to dog face non stop, then result can be different:

For the first time, the dog believes in the "enemy" and attack sleeve with rage, because he cannot reach anything else. But  for the 3-4th time dog completely refuses to work on sleeve for the following reasons:

1) it is an idiot, not an enemy;

2) this idiot is wearing something;

3) leave me alone, I have a lot to do, and you pester me with stupid things.

 But if the leash accidentally breaks off when the trainer is just talking to the owner ... In general, most likely, you will pay the money again for the medical bill and change the trainer to new one.

Very quickly the owner gets tired of it, and the dog will sit in the yard or in a house, confirming the reputation of a "non-working" dog. and dumb breed.

Question

What equipment for decoy practice you would recommend to use if owner want to check natural ability of CAS to protect? How cas in general,do show themselves if they tried with decoy?

 If an CAS "tastes" the training equipment - in many cases he will refuse to work! That is why it is so difficult to demonstrate their work in competitions.

For a stable performance in demonstration groups, it is very useful to deliberately make one of the defendants an enemy of the Asian. Then, taking into account the "personal dislike" for him, the dog will demonstrate everything that it is capable of, in any conditions.

Now we come to the most important thing: exactly how the Asian conducts the fight.

No matter how the situation develops (and the dog may be on a tie out leash, simply on a leash and in a free state), certain tendencies and peculiarities are always clearly visible in the work.

1. An Asian always looks into the eyes of the enemy.

This is one circumstance that is most unpleasant for the trainer:he does not know where the dog will attack.

If dogs of other breeds (especially if they were bred and trained to "play" and "prey"!), they stare at sleeve with their eyes (open or hidden sleeve - it does not matter), thereby indicating the place of attack, then Asian - barely look at the sleeve.

Here a very typical situation when an Asian is forced to bite for a certain place at trainer's body.

  For example, by placing the dog on a tie out leash, allow dog only  to reach the forearm.

When regular shepherds, trained for PLAY AND PREY, starts selflessly "killing" the sleeve or the part of bite suit, the Asian will grab sleeve with his fangs and, looking into the eyes of the enemy, will try to pull the trainer closer to himself

If this maneuver succeeds, then he will immediately release trainers forearm or sleeve ...and attack only he knows - where

 For the trainer, this trouble is aggravated by another circumstance.

2. An Asian always “steals” space. Which means that he is inherent in the tactics of choosing the most favorable moment for an attack.

He kind of lures the enemy into "his" territory, leaving the leash sagging, and in a free state - changing the rate of attack, freezing or taking a step to the side. Then - an explosion!

3. Having seized the enemy, the cas always leaves for himself the possibility of a second attack.

To begin with, a cas always seeks to attack a human enemy in the face or neck (br-r-r-r!).

But, having seized any part of the body, except for those named, he tries to knock down the enemy with a terrible jerk-bashing, letting go and grabbing again, but already in a different place.

Therefore, the meaning of the Asian bite is not squeezing, as in the "police dogs", but in a punch with fangs and a jerk to the side. (bite and shake?)

But if the dog got his neck or face  he bites to the end ...

 4. The Asian always fights in cold blood and attentively, quickly and accurately reacting to the counteractions of the enemy.

What do the so-called Western schools of training preach as the main merit of a dog during a fight?

 Grip hold.

 If the enemy strikes ? Grip hold.

 Regardless of the actions of the enemy - grip hold!

It is presented to us as some of the greatest discovery of the German trainers, as a law not subject to discussion. In fact, the very same German specialists, through the mouth of their "patriarch" Richard Most, declared things that were exactly the opposite of those named.

For us, another thing is important to understand: life itself taught the Central Asian Shepherd Dog prudent explosive combat tactics. A tactic that preserves the dog's mobility and the ability to attack the most vulnerable spot of the enemy.

 Why are there two opinions in this simple position?

  It's very simple: there are no victims during dog sport shows events, but brainless daredevils do not live long in life!

 So what do we have?

1. Obedience to the Central Asian Shepherd Dog must be taught based solely on contact with the owner-leader. This obedience should be exclusive "everyday", manners first.

 2. Teaching the Central Asian Shepherd Dog "protection and defense" should be based solely on aggression in the most realistic situations.

 3. The tactics of fighting in the Central Asian Shepherd Dog is that it works extremely "smart": hides the distance, breaks the pace, intercepts oncoming attacks or dodges them.

 Having chosen the most opportune moment, the dog explodes and decides the outcome of the fight in a matter of seconds, trying to knock the opponent down.

Considering the fact that such behavior in the Central Asian Shepherd Dog is innate, any attempts to impose playing and sports techniques are nothing more than a crime against the breed.

Its recommended to try natural leeriness of cas when dog is mature, have good contact with owner and testing happens at territory where dog do live.

Central asians and kids

Picture of puppy Kya,born in our kennel from Aina and Turuk,at 9 month old with her family, Texas.August 2020 #ourpuppiesinnewhomes

Picture of puppy Kya,born in our kennel from Aina and Turuk,at 9 month old with her family, Texas.August 2020 #ourpuppiesinnewhomes

The Relationship of Children and Dogs

this is an excerpt from my book Central Asian Shepherd,author Ekaterina Rekowski. The Book will be published soon and will be available at Amazon.

As both a dog trainer and owner of dogs, I am often asked if this breed or that breed of dog is good with kids. I hear this question frequently here in the USA, yet for whatever reason I never heard questions of this nature while I was living in Russia. Since it does seem to be a popular question in the USA I think it warrants discussion. There has never been a specific breed of dog created by nature for the sole purpose of helping humans raise and babysit human children. Of course, some breeds are better than others with children. For this part of the discussion, let’s focus on toddlers who are fast and loud; rambunctious is a good word to embody their behavior.

I noticed a higher occurrence of problems arise in households where people have purely hunting dogs or terriers; these breeds often snap or dominate children who belong to the household. By the very nature of the breed, hunting and terrier dogs are bred to hunt and chase. Therefore, a toddler running around can trigger a prey response and provoke them to behave in the instinctual manner they were bred for. I have also received complaints about children being herded and nipped by breeds of dogs within the herding family. I don’t want to suggest that if you have perfect children and a fantastic dog of a herding breed that your dog will be automatically seen as a child-problematic dog. I do wish to discuss breed tendencies and how they come in to play with children.

Surprisingly, ‘decorative’ breeds who were bred for fun and have no real functions other than companionship, possibly due to their tiny size and fragile nervous systems often bite owners and kids. They can feel annoyed if picked up when not wanted or if they don’t want to share ‘their’ sofa with the kids, so they resort to a bite to show their displeasure. Big breeds often tolerate kids better than small to medium size breeds. But again, responsible parents will never leave a toddler unattended with ANY dog. A dog is an animal and it is said that the mind of a fully-grown dog is similar to that of a 3-year-old human. Why would you expect babysitting and safety from someone who behaves and thinks like a 3-year-old child?

Show line,fighting,working dogs misconception

Misconception is a view or opinion that is incorrect because based on faulty thinking or understanding.

I often get calls or emails from people who are looking to purchase CAS puppy. They ask me if I have show,fighting or working type in a breed.

Dividing one breed in to types like that is wrong. If someone breed dogs to participate in beauty shows but nothing else ,for generations,it is a degradation,same with breeding for fighting,therapy work only, be a nanny for human babies etc. Central Asian shepherd is WORKING group dog breed, so its not intended to be a decoration. It is not a fighting dog either. It is guardian dog,who can guard your farm,flock,family home.If you want to participate in Dog Shows or Agility,why not.But it is not a creation process of new breed. Below is a wonderful article about show and working dogs.Pictures of discussed breed is on top of the post

100 Years of Breed “Improvement” by Caen Elegans

For the sake of honest disclosure, I will admit to owning “purebreds” (the ‘pureness’ of purebreeds is a discussion for another time) but I also have mutts. All the dogs I’ve had since childhood had a few things in common, they were friendly, prey driven, ball-crazy, intense, motivated, athletic (crazy dogs are easier to train) and none had intentionally bred defects. I would never buy/adopt a dog whose breed characteristics exacted a health burden.(Asher 2009). That just incentivizes people to breed more of these intentionally unhealthy animals. The dogs on the left are from  the 1915 book, ‘Breeds of All Nations‘ by W.E. Mason. The examples on the right are modern examples from multiple sources. To be able to make an honest comparison, I’ve chosen pictures with similar poses and in a couple of cases flipped the picture to get them both aligned in the same direction. I had to skip some breeds I wanted to include because of the lack of detail in the older photographs.

It seems incredible that at one time the Bull Terrier was a handsome, athletic dog. Somewhere along its journey to a mutated skull and thick abdomen the bull terrier also picked up a number of other maladies like supernumerary teeth and compulsive tail-chasing.

The Basset Hound has gotten lower, has suffered changes to its rear leg structure, has excessive skin, vertebra problems, droopy eyes prone to entropion and ectropion and excessively large ears.

A shorter face means a host of problems. The modern Boxer not only has a shorter face but the muzzle is slightly upturned. The boxer – like all bracecyphalic dogs – has difficulty controlling its temperature in hot weather, the inability to shed heat places limits on physical performance. It also has one of the highest cancer rates.

The English bulldog has come to symbolize all that is wrong with the dog fancy and not without good reason; they suffer from almost every possible disease. A 2004 survey by the Kennel Club found that they die at the median age of 6.25 years (n=180). There really is no such thing as a healthy bulldog. The bulldog’s monstrous proportions make them virtually incapable of mating or birthing without medical intervention.

The Dachshund used to have functional legs and necks that made sense for their size. Backs and necks have gotten longer, chest jutted forward and legs have shrunk to such proportions that there is barely any clearance between the chest and floor. The dachschund has the highest risk of any breed for intervertebral disc disease which can result in paralysis; they are also prone to achondroplastic related pathologies, PRA and problems with their legs.

The German Shepherd Dog is also a breed that is routinely mentioned when people talk about ruined breeds; maybe because they used to be awesome. In Dogs of All Nations, the GSD is described as a medium-sized dog (25 kg /55 lb), this is a far cry from the angulated, barrel-chested, sloping back, ataxic, 85-pounders  (38 kg) we are used to seeing in the conformation ring. There was a time when the GSD could clear a 2.5 meter (8.5 ft) wall; that time is long gone.

The Pug is another extreme brachycephalic breed and it has all the problems associated with that trait – high blood pressure, heart problems, low oxygenation, difficulty breathing, tendency to overheat, dentition problems, and skin fold dermatitis. The highly desirable double-curl tail is actually a genetic defect, in more serious forms it leads to paralysis.

Once a noble working dog, the modern St. Bernard has been oversized, had its faced squished in, and bred for abundant skin. You will not see this type of dog working, they can’t handle it as they quickly overheat. The diseases include entropion, ectropion, Stockard’s paralysis, hemophilia, osteosarcoma, aphakia, fibrinogen deficiency.

It is unrealistic to expect any population to be free of genetic diseases but show breeders have intentionally selected for traits which result in diseases. Conformation breeders claim they are improving the breed and yet they are often the cause of these problems. If “improvement” in looks imposes a health burden then it is not a breed improvement..

No dog breed has ever been improved by the capricious and arbitrary decision that a shorter/longer/flatter/bigger/smaller/curlier “whatever” is better.  Condemning a dog to a lifetime of suffering for the sake of looks is not an improvement; it is torture.

Why these dogs have cropped ears and no tail?

Ear Cropping & Tail Docking - Cutting Through the Controversy

[Authored by Meredith Halfpenny]

How often have you heard the expression, “The more I get to know people, the more I love my dog”? Probably more times than you can count. While it seems like nothing more than a funny quip, it does highlight a current trend; people attaching human emotions and qualities to their dogs. This humanizing of dogs has created a hostile environment toward “cosmetic procedures” on dogs, mainly ear cropping and docking. The irony in this is that cosmetic procedures for us humans are more popular than ever before. 

Referring to ear crops and tail docking as a “cosmetic procedure” suggests that it has no true function other than enhancing beauty. For many working breeds, this is simply not correct. The Central Asian Shepherd is a livestock guardian / working dog, who's ears are cropped close to the head and who's tails are docked in a bob. Livestock guardian breeds are at risk for attack by the likes of coyotes, wolves, fox, badgers or other vermin dependent on locality. Ears and tails are easy targets for predators as they try to neutralize a livestock guardian dog and feast on the flock.

A close friend had two dogs involved in a scrum with a coyote. One dog ended up with a shredded ear and half their tail gone; the other dog was more fortunate and only suffered scarring to the face and body. In this scenario, it's easy to see the benefits of cropped ears and a docked tail would go far beyond “beauty enhancement”. The procedures would actually prevent serious, painful injury to the dog. For a working dog, cropping and docking improves their chances to fight off a predator and offers them protection from injury while doing the job.

Humanizing our guardian dogs depreciates their value as true working animals and trusted companions. Our desire to coddle them and protect them from harm or discomfort goes against the very purpose of their breeding. These are rough dogs, bred to do a job which entails the possibility of danger and attack by predators. Wishing to save your dog from the pain of an ear crop, done at such an early age they will quickly forget it, seems virtuous and noble. However, when your dog comes walking up to you with bloody shreds of what wasit's ear hanging from their head, that decision not to crop may seem far less virtuous.

Some readers of this article may be thinking, wait a minute – I don't plan to use my dog for livestock guarding or as a working dog! They will just be a family and property guardian, why would they need to be cropped and docked? While your dog may not be out with a flock, they will consider you, their family, as their flock. If you are out for a walk and an aggressive off-leash dog charges you, your dog will react and protect you. Cropped ears will be advantageous in this situation for your dog. Also consider the fact that vermin like coyotes are now prevalent in many urban areas as well, making an encounter with your dog a real possibility.

Working breeds who have traditionally been cropped and docked throughout history deserve to have that tradition respected. While we as humans seem to be trending toward 'softness', shying away from discomfort or controversy, we must not let that softness infect the working breeds. If you have a strong aversion to cropping or docking, choose a breed which is left “all natural”. Please respect the forefathers of the guardian breeds like the Central Asian Shepherd; Men who decided that cropped ears and a docked tail protected their dogs and enhanced their ability to do their job.

There is nothing wrong with loving your dog and wanting the best life for your beloved companion. The problems arise when we decide to listen to the echo chamber that is social media, where baseless opinions and virtue signaling abound. This is where you will undoubtedly be subjected to scathing remarks from the “My dog is my fur child” keyboard warrior gang if you own a dog with cropped ears or a docked tail. These folks believe raw feeding is barbaric and prong collars (“spike collars”) are even more abhorrent than medieval torture devices.

Amid this increasing social media static, it's important to stay grounded in reality. The Central Asian Shepherd is cropped and docked for a functional purpose, as are many other livestock guardian / working breeds of dog. Stop placing human emotions and qualities on these dogs; It is only a detriment to these breeds as a whole. Drown out the noise and  focus on respecting these breeds as they were envisioned by their forefathers. 

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you want to breed dogs?

Pretty often I receive calls and emails from people who want to get a puppy from me for breeding.99% of these people never heard about this breed and never met in person.or cant even spell the name breed correctly.many are willing to crossbreed, and so many are not willing to promote and preserve the breed. Some people purchased  dogs from overseas but either have not legit paperwork, no health testing or either.I do believe that breeding of this serious ancient breed is not for newcomers.

Please see table about types of breeders

 

 

 

Breed preservation or make it fashionable?

Please pay attention to the old photos of dogs of Central Asian descent. These dogs are not super known to many, they can not be considered as best example of breed, but pay attention to their type of constitution. And now open the photo catalogs of the latest exhibitions and look at the type of constitution of the winners of the CAO or dogs who imported or bred and judged by weight and heights only?. Do you see the difference ?! Most of the modern dogs are completely different from the original material of dogs in Central Asia! What is happening now at kennels with the commercial direction of breeding causes irreparable damage to the CAO breed. Gigantomania, saggy skin, wrinkled faces, friability, not functionality, weak immune system, weak nervous system ... is not a complete list of the characteristic features of modern CAO.
Friends, a huge request to all breeders - stop "improving" the breed, just try to keep it in its original form! And our descendants will be grateful to you.

Dog reincarnation

My first central asian shepherd was Chingiz, my stepdad(who died on Jan 6 2018)presented me this pup in 1994. On January 4 2018 we have litter delivered from Aya and Safar.Aya have same great great great grandparent as it was the grandparent of my 1st dog Chingiz. and here new Chingiz was born, 24 years after. New pup Chingiz is copy of my first dog.

Here collage of pictures  with Chingiz and Chingiz jr

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